With Scotland’s independence vote fast approaching, the Flag Institute is busy answering press enquiries from around the world.
As the UK’s national vexillological association, our role is to inform public debate about flags.
So we do our best to reply to every one.
We conducted one such interview for the Mail on Sunday.
Read the resulting, much-reduced, article here, and below are our CEO’s comments on five potential designs listed in no particular order.
Number 1: ‘This is the safe option – essentially the current Union Jack with Welsh black from the flag of St David replacing Scottish blue. The advantage is that it’s still recognisable. But perhaps what is needed is a completely clean break. A new flag for the remaining United Kingdom with the old Union Jack becoming a symbol of Britishness for those who still wish to celebrate that.’
Number 2 – Based again on the current Union Jack but replacing blue with green to represent Wales. This would be popular in Wales, although a darker green would be more appropriate. Green, when added to the still very clear Union Flag design, might also be an inclusive and unifying way of representing loyalist and nationalist elements in Northern Ireland. However I suspect this much green would be just too Welsh for the English.
Number 3: Red is always a good background colour for a flag. And the Wyvern – it’s not a dragon – is a genuine Anglo-Saxon flag motif. The problem is that we’re not all of Anglo-Saxon descent. This design doesn’t have all the answers. However, it does break away completely from the Union Jack. It would be exciting to find something that spoke to all three remaining countries. Perhaps some kind of central garland featuring plant symbols of England, Wales and Northern Ireland – the rose, daffodil and shamrock.
Number 4: ‘This is clearly tongue-in-cheek. The road, the rain, the suggestion that we’re subservient to the United States. But the basic design would have merits if it incorporated national symbols. The road layout reflects the ancient Celtic cross, which pre-dates the Christian cross. People forget that the current Union Jack is essentially formed of Christian crosses though many in these islands are no longer Christian.
Number 5: I might regret suggesting this as a basis for any new flag. I would certainly get rid of the Commonwealth motifs at the top. It would also have to look much less American. Elements of the old Union Jack in the centre might also have to go. But I do like using stars or symbols to represent different regions of the country. That would also allow future adaptability should further regional devolution take place.’
Hello
their is no reason to change the Union flag in the event of a yes vote.
As you will no doubt be aware the flag was formed to represent the British kingdom of 1603 ( flag formed in 1606 ) thanks to the union of the crowns act , to which Scotland will still be apart of.
no need to change it at all.
Brian
There was no “British kingdom” in 1603 – there were two separate kingdoms under one king, each of which continued to fly their own flags and ensigns either alone or as well as the Union flag. From 1634 the Union flag was reserved for the King’s vessels, not civil use.
Just as there was a Union of the Crowns of two separate kingdoms in the 17th century, so too there is a Union of the Crowns today, but it encompasses 16 realms, including Canada, Australia, Papua New Guinea, Jamaica et.al.
If Scotland becomes independent it will have the same status as those other realms. Since the UK flag doesn’t incorporate their 15 flags, we can’t expect it to continue incorporating the Scottish one either.
In the immortal words of John McInroe, “You cannot be serious!”
I vote for the “Hungarian-style” red-white-green flag! Long life freedom! 😀 😀
I agree with Michael’s quote from John McInroe “You cannot be serious!”
I suspect that the majority of people in England, Wales and NI simple see it as the British flag. Certainly the majority of people on the globe see it as the British flag. Irrespectiive of the vote – it is still the British flag and should remain so — unaltered.
i once imagined that if the blue had to be removed from the union jack it would look really nice to change it for silver or light grey. see if you like the idea.but still, i would like the kingdom to stay as it is.
I’m one eighth Welsh and seven eighths English. My wife is second generation Pakistani. My daughter is a mixture of all this. Above all, we are British. At the moment, to (perhaps mis) quote Benjamin Zephaniah, ‘there ain’t no black in the Union Jack’, so I would vote for option 1.
As a Canadian (of predominantly Irish, English and Scottish descent), I appreciated the little maple leaf on the last design. It’s cute (though I agree with the others, you can’t actually be serious. On a side note, the maple leaf is a nightmare to draw; don’t do that to yourselves. Think of the children!).
Also bear in mind that changing the flag would mean many in the Commonwealth would have to change their flags as well. Australia’s been mentioned on the site, but there’s also, New Zealand, British Virgin Islands, and three of the Canadian provinces include the Union Flag somewhere on theirs. If you changed the flag, we’d all have to change our flags, too. I think the Commonwealth should have a say in this! We may be colonials, but we’ve learned a lot about colour coordination! 😉
Thank you Scotland! The Union Flag unquestionably flies prouder today.