Talks at 10 Downing Street

The Flag Institute today held high level ministerial talks at 10 Downing Street, relating to the future of the Union flag.

The talks were organised by Andrew Rosindell MP and Lord West of Spithead of the Flags and Heraldry Committee, and hosted by John Hayes MP in the library of 10 Downing Street.

Malcolm Farrow (President, Flag Institute) and Graham Bartram (Chief Vexillologist, Flag Institute) were present in their capacity as flag advisers to the Flags and Heraldry Committee. Peter O’Donoghue (York Herald, College of Arms) was present as heraldry advisor. Osman Dervish was present as Clerk to the Flags and Heraldry Committee.

Outside No.10 Downing Street

Photo (left to right)

Osman Dervish, Graham Bartram, Andrew Rosindell, John Hayes, Alan West, Malcolm Farrow, Peter O’Donoghue

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6 Responses to Talks at 10 Downing Street

  1. Robert Morley 3 April 2014 at 11:29 pm #

    I don’t understand why the cross of St Patrick is part of the current Union Flag, nor part of the one under consideration for the post-Scotland era.
    Ireland is not part of The United Kingdom, nor Great Britain. The flag of Northern Ireland is a St Georges cross with a crest at the centre.

    Is it not time to recognize the realities, or is the annexation of Eire in the planning stage?


  2. John Cartledge 8 April 2014 at 6:41 pm #

    In order for “high level ministerial talks” to occur, one needs a high level minister. I assume it’s by pure oversight that none appears in the picture or the list of participants?

    More importantly, though, what exactly was the point of the talks, and what has come out of them? Please put us out of our misery.

  3. Nicholas 4 May 2014 at 1:34 pm #

    I suggest a simple vertical tricolour r/w/b with a gold crown in the canton. KISS.

    But I suppose a horrendous bastardised version of the union flag is what we’ll end up with.

  4. Fr Neil Bryson 16 May 2014 at 3:27 pm #

    I’ve seen a design that seemingly was put forward by the Institute for a flag that includes the yellow cross of St David alongside the St George’s cross and St Patrick’s saltire. All well and good – except the design also includes St Andrew’s saltire, crossed over with St Patrick’s, as at present, and bits of blue. If Scotland secedes, St Andrew’s saltire simply cannot be included – it must be removed if the Kingdom of Scots removes itself from the UK.

    • robert 3 July 2014 at 5:09 pm #

      but why St Patrick? Ireland is a foreign country, just as Scotland will be if it separates.


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